Apple Park, AI as Clay & Saying No (Cantonese)
Hanley Leung — Hong Kong-based founder of Taiso AI and the Lunatechs community. Berkeley CS + Economics double major. Long-time Silicon Valley engineering leader: Yahoo Mail, EA (where he led online games for the China market and lived in Shanghai for 12 years), and Apple, where he led a prototyping team on Apple Vision Pro. Now building an AI startup remotely from Hong Kong and running open-call vibe-coding workshops with the Berkeley Club and AI Tinkerers HK.
Chapters
- 0:00Intro
- 1:51Meet Hanley — Yahoo Mail to Apple Vision Pro
- 3:08Lunatechs — a community for the lunatics
- 4:06Berkeley CS + Econ — five years on purpose
- 6:16Laid off and hired at Yahoo on the same day
- 7:23Yahoo as the OpenAI of the late 90s
- 11:46Apple Logo and Zork — first programs at computer camp
- 16:24From Yahoo to PlayStation 2 games
- 19:53EA China — building a Shanghai engineering team
- 22:54Apple Vision Pro — prototyping during the pandemic
- 25:50Apple Park 'like a giant bathroom'
- 26:48Why Apple culture hates 'MVP' thinking
- 29:51Why VCs don't trust ex-Apple founders
- 31:35Steve Jobs's presentation discipline
- 36:07Getting into AI — the Vision Pro layoff
- 38:50AI is like clay, not Lego
- 42:46November 2022 — when ChatGPT changed everything
- 46:01Vibe coding starts — March 2024
- 47:00HTML as presentations — killing PowerPoint
- 51:54Focus is the new currency
- 55:31Humans vs AI — fast lane vs rush hour traffic
- 56:01Meditation — the antidote to AI-amplified ADHD
- 58:48Dunning-Kruger in the AI age
- 1:03:56Saying no to good ideas — Steve Jobs's real secret
- 1:05:30Outro
About This Episode
From Yahoo Mail in the 90s to building EA's online games business out of Shanghai, to leading a prototyping team on Apple Vision Pro — Hanley Leung has worked through every major platform shift of the last 30 years. Now in Hong Kong running an AI startup and the Lunatechs community, he argues this AI cycle rhymes with the 90s internet but moves faster than mobile. Why he calls AI 'clay, not Lego', why ex-Apple founders frustrate VCs, why HTML now beats PowerPoint, and why focus — saying no to good ideas — is the real currency of the AI era.